1. teachwell
    October 26, 2015 @ 3:26 pm

    Reblogged this on The Echo Chamber.


  2. The Quirky Teacher
    October 26, 2015 @ 4:27 pm

    Clearly, Jane has never been taught by nuns. I’d like to see her try and tell my old teachers that they were being a bit too ‘male’ with the language and behaviour expectations they used.


    • teachwell
      October 26, 2015 @ 4:43 pm

      i know. The asian ‘tiger’ mums might have a thing or too to say about it too. I don’t know it just wasn’t that clear cut from mum and dad. I guess mum was more sympathetic on the whole but then again sometimes she wasn’t!!! Characteristics and traits are not simple.

      The real issue here is how this group of feminists are having to contort these arguments in order to ‘prove’ traditional education is sexist. That’s why it’s not a clear argument because if they accept that masculinity and femininity are socially constructed then they can’t really be male or female at all. Just stereotypes. But that means traditional education is not by default sexist. So then they have to argue that masculinity and femininity are biologically determined which involves agreeing with the very stereotypes that feminists argued against in the first place!!!

      Maybe they could just put their arguments against traditional education forward and have done with!! This is just a bad debate. It makes me wonder what goes on in their heads…


      • The Quirky Teacher
        October 26, 2015 @ 4:53 pm

        Agree re Tiger mums in Asia and also, where enlightened, working class British women can also be Tiger mums too! I like to call myself a Tiger Teacher sometimes.

        It’s this Kath Kidson, white, middle class view of what it is to be female that also grates. Similar to the white middle class view of what the ideal mother should look/act like. Such pomposity and ignorance of the presence of other cultures out there.


        • teachwell
          October 26, 2015 @ 5:39 pm

          It’s actually quite fascinating to read about the different cultures in which gender is not categorised in a binary way. In Western Samoa, there is a third gender which is men and women who dress as the opposite sex BUT it doesn’t correspond with sexuality and no one bats an eyelid!! It’s just seen as normal. Funny that westerners that go over to cultures like these use pejorative terms like ladyboys, etc but actually it’s not seen like that. I think it’s difficult for many in Europe to understand this.

          Your point about working class British women is so true!! They couldn’t be dainty angels with fragile souls. They had to work on the farms, in factories, deal with stresses and strains of life.

          It’s long been said that feminists are indicative of white middle class women which is fine but it is patronising that they think they can speak for ‘all’ women. Someone just tweeted to me that they are pushing gender stereotypes onto women the way one would expect of sexist men!! So true!



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